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Will
07-26-2012, 03:27 AM
You're on the other side of the fence than most Koi people.
Isn't that frequently the case? Have to find out how sodium will affect the pH.

ricshaw
07-26-2012, 03:44 AM
Isn't that frequently the case? Have to find out how sodium will affect the pH.

According to the Montmorillonite link I posted in #250; "Sodium bentonite clumps more strongly and has a very alkaline pH."

Will
07-26-2012, 04:22 AM
According to the Montmorillonite link I posted in #250; "Sodium bentonite clumps more strongly and has a very alkaline pH."
Right. I just have to put numbers on "very alkaline pH", and I plan to. Then the math would have to be worked out to determine how that alkaline pH would realistically affect the pH of water. I'm sure that dosage and size of water body will play a huge role.

Peppy
07-26-2012, 11:38 AM
Here is a good article on Montmorillonite (http://www.koi4u.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=30:montmorillonite&catid=6:chris-on-koi&Itemid=33);

I enjoyed that article. Very informative. Is that the same Chris Neaves who authored the article on sand filters for koi ponds?

ricshaw
07-26-2012, 12:39 PM
I enjoyed that article. Very informative. Is that the same Chris Neaves who authored the article on sand filters for koi ponds?

Yes, the same article that you Peppy focus on the "pros" and I ricshaw focus on the "cons" mentioned on using swimming pool sand filters for Koi ponds.

Appliance Guy
07-26-2012, 10:02 PM
, but the curious thing for me is some of the layers look calcarious in nature.

I've always known that a new surface must get 'conditioned' before biofilm will adhere (same thing in saltwater environment, particularly plastics), and today I read that this conditioning can be accomplished via 'mineral attraction'. I feel this corresponds to my observations of my pond. I believe the 'white spots' are mineral deposits and as the Koi graze, these deposits are exposed.

So, I think I'm spot on with what's going on with the liner biofilm/algae.

Peppy
07-27-2012, 12:28 AM
Yes, the same article that you Peppy focus on the "pros" and I ricshaw focus on the "cons" mentioned on using swimming pool sand filters for Koi ponds.

:hahaha:

ricshaw
07-27-2012, 02:31 AM
Richard- I use 'Aztec Secret Healing Clay' found online. It is 100% Natural Calcium Bentonite Clay. Sundried, no dyes, no perfumes, no additives. It is very finely milled as it is used as facial scrub. http://www.aztec-secret.com/clay.html http://www.cleopatraschoice.com/azc-0001.html?utm_source=azc-0001&utm_medium=shopping%2Bengine&utm_campaign=google&gclid=CLPtmYD9tLECFcldTAodrmcA-A


I Goggled "Aztec Secret Healing Clay" online and found that the Vitamin Shoppe (http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=SW-1001) had one of the best prices ($5.99 + shipping).

This afternoon my travels took me right past the local Vitamin Shoppe store, so I stopped. When I walked in, the clerk asked me if he could help, so I told him I was looking for "clay". He took me right to the Aztec Secret Healing Clay which was $7.99. When I said; Wow, that is more than the price online!, the saleman said; "We can match that price."

:big smile:

Will
07-27-2012, 03:07 PM
This afternoon my travels took me right past the local Vitamin Shoppe store, so I stopped. When I walked in, the clerk asked me if he could help, so I told him I was looking for "clay". He took me right to the Aztec Secret Healing Clay which was $7.99. When I said; Wow, that is more than the price online!, the saleman said; "We can match that price."


:big smile:[/QUOTE]

For how much?

Kntry
07-27-2012, 04:33 PM
I've never heard of using Sodium Clay in ponds. Don't use it on your entire pond till you test it.

Peppy
07-28-2012, 11:12 AM
I'm kind of surprised at all the recent talk of the clay since I thought just about everybody used it. I started using it in 2006. And drinking it in 2010.:giggle:

ricshaw
07-30-2012, 05:39 PM
"I Goggled "Aztec Secret Healing Clay" online and found that the Vitamin Shoppe had one of the best prices ($5.99 + shipping)."




For how much?

$5.99 (+tax) :smash head:

ricshaw
07-30-2012, 05:42 PM
I'm kind of surprised at all the recent talk of the clay since I thought just about everybody used it. I started using it in 2006. And drinking it in 2010.:giggle:

To be honest... I do not buy into all the health claims made.

I took a second look when I heard about the clay being a flocculent.

Will
07-30-2012, 10:36 PM
$5.99 (+tax) :smash head:
How much clay​, Einstein.

ellisr63
07-31-2012, 12:05 AM
1 pound for $5.99

ricshaw
07-31-2012, 12:40 AM
I guess Will missed my link on message #258 (http://www.thepondforum.com/showthread.php/1154-Appliance-Guy-pond-build-revised?p=55257&viewfull=1#post55257).

For Will again; Vitamin Shoppe clay link (http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=SW-1001). <-- Click Here

:smash head:

Will
07-31-2012, 12:21 PM
:lol:

I am not a smart man, Richard. But I know what love is!