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koikeepr
09-28-2010, 07:36 PM
So, as you all know, last weekend I went to the Lotus Land Koi Farm harvest for a bunch of fish. Two of the fish I bought were only 5"--which is something I wasn't planning on. Anyway, today in the morning, I go to the pond to feed and I notice two fish are mysteriously missing. A Momma after all knows when one of her brood is gone. The fish in question are these two:

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I figure, they were both too small than I should have gotten and they went down the bottom drain. If that's the case, they would have ended up in the sieve (and of course be dead). I clean the sieve twice today and there is no fish. The other option is that they could have been in the skimmer. I look in the skimmer three or 4 times today, and no fish in the skimmer. Finally, I think, oh, well, sh$t, the only other option is they are in the leaf basket of the pump which would mean they are dead. Nothing, the basket is clear.

My head isn't wrapping around a predator. In the 6 months this new pond has been active, I've had no predator visit. It's 18" above ground and 18" inches below ground. It would have to be a super predator to do such a task. No way!

So, my son Lucas and I are feeding the fish tonight, and he always asks about my plant ring, which corrals my hyacinth. He is fascinated by it because there is always a frog or two inside that is peering out that we can see. He thinks it's funny. Anyway, I take a few hyacinth out that I notice are turning yellow to trim them, and I suddenly see a fin!! Low and behold, the two idiot fish jumped into the darn plant ring and are busy swimming around in there eating plant roots! Of course, they are both small enough to fiddle around in there unnoticed, unlike Big Alice who landed in there two months ago and was sitting in just an inch of water with her big ass dorsal fin sticking out.

Gosh darn, these fish never fail to confound! I never have this trouble with the goldies, it's only the crazy koi that manage to stick themselves into a odd place!

Kntry
09-28-2010, 07:43 PM
They're like the mischievous child. They love to eat the roots on Hyacinth. If you put them in with larger koi, they'll strip the roots off in a day.

koikeepr
09-28-2010, 07:46 PM
Oh, that's why I made the ring. My hyacinth were just sickly looking before because they were constantly nibbled on. I mean, still now even with the netting, and root that goes even 1/16th of an inch out of the netting gets eaten. These fish are obsessed with roots! I can't believe I had three fish dive into the ring this year just to get at the roots. Crazy, crazy fish had their Momma going crazy wondering where they'd gone today. I looked everywhere to see even if they had jumped out and I couldn't find a trace.

These fish truly make you nuts!

Meganne
09-28-2010, 09:02 PM
if they can do something stoopid some how they manage it!

koikeepr
09-28-2010, 09:10 PM
so true! I've never seen it in such great action as this summer! I'm starting to think goldfish are waaaaaay smarter than koi. my goldfish never got into these sort of predicaments.

Meganne
09-28-2010, 09:16 PM
koi reatact to something so quickly I think they tend to over react ...and blam! they're in a predictamant!

ponderpaul
09-29-2010, 02:09 PM
A while back I had a 13 -14" koi jump into a basket to eat WH roots twice. I did not see him get in or out the first time, I just seen him in the basket and few minutes later he was out. The second time I happened to be watching, he forced his way over the lip and into the basket, ate his fill and went back out:dunno: Interesting behavior:hmmm:

koikeepr
09-29-2010, 02:36 PM
My Big Alice did that this summer. She got in, but did not get herself back out. When I went to feed, I noticed her backside sticking up out of the hyacinth. The fish were spooked for weeks after that incident. Now, these two are just little nothings, so they were sitting in there swimming among the roots, while I was scratching my head looking all over tarzana for 'em.

Carolinagirl
09-29-2010, 02:40 PM
Fish do manage to get themselves into spots sometimes! I remember one year at Brady's I bought a gorgeous little hariwake. I put it into a carefully netted QT and floated a piece of styrafoam on top of the water for shade. Stupid little fish hopped up on top of the styrafoam and DIED!! He could have just flipped around a little bit and fallen back into the pond, but no....he just died. Dumb little thing. The styrafoam wasn't even that big! So no more floating shade for the fishies.

Meganne
09-29-2010, 11:05 PM
Cindy that reminds me of my Yama LF i used to have.
when I first built the koi pond I had two lotus plants in it. I figured I would put them up on milk crates and have them right at the surface of the water, that way the koi wouldn't root around in the pots.
Sitting pond side one night the yama, about 16 inches at the time, spooked for no apparent reason and slammed right into the side of the milk crate and got herslf wedged in one of the holes/slots!!! I had to get in the pond to free her. The only thing left of her one pec fin was the leading ray! :sad0049:
it took a whole year for it to grow back and look normal.

now there is nothing in the koi pond because they will surely figure out a way to harm themselves if there is! :duh!:

koikeepr
09-30-2010, 07:21 AM
LOL! That is why I like to have nothing in the pond. I've seen fish dart around really fast because something scared them and smack straight into a submerged pot so fast it killed them on the spot.

Carolinagirl
09-30-2010, 10:00 AM
I had a chagoi swim down a 3" pipe just because he could. the pipe was supposed to have a net on it but the net had come off. I didn't realize the fish was missing until I was cleaning the filters and noticed this big fish flopping around in the barrel I just drained. That fish make it through three 90° turns and only had 2 small scratches on him. Why did he even go down that pipe? I have also heard of small fish that seemed to enjoy going down the bottom drains and into the settling tank. Same fish did it over and over. He had to work at it to get under the drain cover too.

nigil
09-30-2010, 09:36 PM
Mine seem to love my skimmer. Thankfully I have just a light net in it so no one gets hurt.

chris
10-01-2010, 01:23 PM
2 of my small fish disappeaed also. last week i did a water change i did not notice
then this past wensday when i did this weeks water change i did notice.
one of them was a fish that was born in the pond and the other was a feeder
gold looking fan tale was my favortie one iam so mad.

OldMarine
10-01-2010, 08:22 PM
I have been fortunate. My nine shubunkin's have become quite friendly over this last year. When it comes to feeding time they are right there, and always act as though they were starving. When I'm down on my hands and knees with my hand in the water cutting and cleaning out dead water lily blooms and other dead plants, the shubunkin's are right there in the way nibbling and bumping me to see what I'm into. It's good to know I have these little guys as friends.

Meganne
10-02-2010, 12:27 AM
SSgt Kruger what a wonderfully picture perfect little pond you have!!! your shubbies are lovely and the frogs are great. the moss around the pond which is starting to cover the black edging is a very nice touch

koikeepr
10-03-2010, 01:43 PM
Isn't it a pip when they start coming to see you up close, OM? It really makes the hobby fun then!